Friday, July 6, 2012

Science through Religion : Ancient Indian Scientific Temper. An Omnibus of All Ancient Indian Endeavor for Scientific Research

 July 6Th, 2012
 A letter from a Father to his Son
Love you Dhruv

 Me and Dhruv opposite Andheri Station Mumbai
After Purchasing Books for him
15Th December 2010, 14:01 hrs :)

Note to the reader
Please read one link per day, otherwise, since the subjects are varied , there will be confusion and information overflow.
Thank You
" Prajnanam Brahman- The secret of the Universe is the greatest knowledge. Tat tvam asi- That tells you who you are. Ayam atma brahma- It is embedded in our soul. Aham Brahmasmi- I am one with the Universe. Sarvam Khalvidam Brahmam- So is everyone . #God Particle "
The status was a marriage between Higgs Boson and Advaita Philosophy , Between God, Atma and Gods Particle.

PLEASE DO NOT MISS THE LINKS AT THE END, because the links contain immense knowledge on Real proven authentic science and mathematics, plus, meta physics, philosophy , medicine, economics, astronomy.  Dhruv Reas links on Vedic Mathematics, the last three, they will immensly help you in life. 

It all started with the above quoted Facebook status , by one of my proteges, Kaunteya Ghosh (kg)who is yet to be 19(will be on 24Th August) , a fine young follower of the Advaita philosophy, and a very  ardent follower of Adi Sankara

The Thread became very interesting due to intelligent comments by much older Patrick Quinlan (pq) maybe 50 something, Irish, looks like a scientist, Ina Zeuch (iz) 30 something a freelancer, looks artistic maybe related to art/fsahion/make-up , Me (kvgm) 52 , Indian Banker and; Dr Anjani Kumar Tripathi (dakt)  and many other regulars, Pradeep Saxena, Rahul Bagchi and Ayaz Ahmed.

This is the thread in question But as Facebook is well known to not arcgive user threads, I am putting all the comments and links here . for posterity. First the comments on the Thread, then the links at the end. 

 It all began by the thought that there was no connection between religion and science. 
kg " Adi Sankara said this in 800 AD "

Shaheen Sheikh " mighty words indeed.. "
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pq " I AM = MA I, which together becomes I AMMA I...the Mother of the World. Out of the womb of life consciousness appeared and knew that I AM THAT. Then we were given a name and realized that we were separate from our Mother. Ever since we have been trying to find our way home. A very circuitous journey. Adi Sankara may have said these words - I AM THAT, but he was not the first to say them nor the first to know the truth in those words. Thanks Kaunteya Ghosh, may you find your way home. "

iz ""  so caste systm is no more necessary - it's universal and everybody inheritates the knowledge.COOL! would very much like to see the practice of it in Indian society. ""

Rahul Bagchi " Great words..should truly be an inspiration for all of man-kind... " 

Pradeep Saxena "  Kaunteya an amazing truth undeniably..but "God Particle" has nothing to do with Godliness or God. "

iz " yup, Pradeep - i prefer Higgs boson instead of God particle! "

akt "  Yes Ina ...and that we have found out :-) " 

iz " found out abt what?...more details abt Higgs boson or the - by theists preferred - connection between astro physics and god? "
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akt uly 4, 2012
A thin line separates science and religion: Dan Shechtman "

akt " GENEVA, July 4, 2012
Scientists claim glimpse of ‘God particle’
#British physicist Peter Higgs congratulates Fabiola Gianotti, ATLAS experiment spokesperson, after her results presentation during a scientific seminar to deliver the latest update in the search for the Higgs boson at the European Organisation for Nuclear Research (CERN) in Meyrin near Geneva on Wednesday "
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The Hindu : Sci-Tech / Science : ‘The beauty spot on the perfect face’ "

akt "  Indians leave a footprint in CERN
#picture:the globe of the European Organisation for Nuclear Research, CERN, is seen outside Geneva.  "

akt "  i   Scientists at the Large Hadron Collider claim the discovery of a particle believed to be the long-sought Higgs boson.  "

iz "  ‎"There is an intrinsic Indian connection to what is happening at CERN — Satyendra Nath Bose. It is Bose after whom the sub-atomic particle boson is named."  "

akt "   Yessssssssss....  "

akt " Satyendra Nath Bose (IPA: [ʃot̪ːend̪ronat̪ʰ boʃu]; 1 January 1894 – 4 February 1974) was an Indian physicist specializing in mathematical physics. He is best known for his work on quantum mechanics in the early 1920s, providing the foundation for Bose–Einstein statistics and the theory of the Bose–E... "

akt "  And I thought to share the July first week activity of ours as schools have opened here after long summer vacation: "

akt " I am sorry Kaunteya ....!!
I have loaded a lot many links on this post of yours :-)))))))) "

iz "  Indians are famous for math and chess genius. I always felt Indian sciences hot on 'our' heels:)  "
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iz "  ‎...and i don't mind: i am not a nationalist....knowledge is what counts "

Ayaz Ahmed " profound verses! "
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kg " @pradeep- i qouted the advaita vedanta(very similar to buddhism) school of thought which has fascinated the likes of quantum physicists like bohr, heisenberg, schrodinger, it's different to the western concept of god where god is science, here science is it up Ina Zeuch-i'm sure you misunderstood that part too "

kg " Anjani Kumar Tripathi-you are most welcome...always a pleasure "
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kg "  Ina Zeuch- i'm sorry to point out, it isnt astophysics, it's quantum physics, its not a big wedding cake, it's a small cup cake :-) "
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iz " don't know what i misunderstood - which part 2? and yup it is quantum physics, sorry but wedding cake as an image for astro physics - sorry don't talk to me as if i were a silly child! "

akt " Hi Ina !!
Hope you are doing fine !!
A good afternoon from all of us here.. !! "

KG " ‎@ina - advaita vedanta , which i qouted in the post doesnt follow ur notion of religion, its a blend of logic and spirituality laying stress on experimental data( google it). As for the cake part, it was in good humour. "

kg "  Ina Zeuch- actually its my fault to take it for granted that you are aquainted with the upanisads, so i apologise, and hope this link clears your view But i have to say that your first comment was exactly in line with the Upanishadic thought...not strange...a lot of german intellectuals from Muller to Hegel to Schrodinger admired Upanisads.. 

kg " Schopenhauer said he was influenced by the Upanishads, Immanuel Kant and Plato. References to Eastern philosophy and religion appear frequently in Schopenhauer's writing. As noted above, he appreciated the teachings of the Buddha and even called himself a "Buddhist".[73] He said[74] that his philosophy could not have been conceived before these teachings were available.
Concerning the Upanishads and Vedas, he writes in The World as Will and Representation:
If the reader has also received the benefit of the Vedas, the access to which by means of the Upanishads is in my eyes the greatest privilege which this still young century (1818) may claim before all previous centuries, if then the reader, I say, has received his initiation in primeval Indian wisdom, and received it with an open heart, he will be prepared in the very best way for hearing what I have to tell him. It will not sound to him strange, as to many others, much less disagreeable; for I might, if it did not sound conceited, contend that every one of the detached statements which constitute the Upanishads, may be deduced as a necessary result from the fundamental thoughts which I have to enunciate, though those deductions themselves are by no means to be found there.[75]
He summarised the influence of the Upanishads thus: "It has been the solace of my life, it will be the solace of my death!"- wikipedia "

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oz "  
I always find that when religious texts are using the word 'universe' it is sth.completely different when physics are using this term. If u try to amalgam both notions - the rilgious and the scientific - it does not make any sense, it is mere misunderstanding. Religious people mostly don't care that much because they don't search for the truth - they maintain that they already have the truth and refer to what is written here and there. My first comment referred to ur quote (caste system), my second comment referred to Pradeep Saxena, confirming that 'Godparticle' has nothing to do with godliness, happy to found someone who knows abt those confusing wrong use of words too. " 

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iz " 
‎...and yeah i forgive u the cake :) "


My view is, Deep meditation, and concentrated " Gaveshan " the ancient Sanskrit word for research , will make the mind meet God, that is the supreme intermingling of Mastishka ( mind) Sharir ( Body) and Atma (soul) with Eeshwar (God) , but when you yourself are Brahma ( The supreme power, you meet your other elements , which is salvation, in this meeting of soul with soul, creates knowledge, it is called " Param Brahm ki prapti " or 

                         It generated an educated discussion, which at the end, germinated the idea of this blog, especially, I have a vested personal interest in this, My 15 year old son Dhruv Menon, who is in Class Xth, and has CBSE Board in a year, March 2013 to be precise. So this blog is collation, of links and thoughts, about

1 Higgs Boson or " The Gods Particle " 
2 Advaita Philosophy
3 Adi Sankara
4 Indian History ( Pre Muslim hence upto 1200 AD with a focus on Gupta Era, the Golden period of India, This is when Many like Charak, Vatsyayan and Panini wrote their treatises , Charaka Samhita (Book on Ayurvedic Medicine) , Kama Sutra ( Sexual Knowledge) and Ashtadhyayi ( 8 Chapters on Sanskrit Grammar) 
5 Vedic Sciences
6 Vedic Mathematics
7 Sanskrit Grammar
8 Kama Sutra (this forms an important part of adolescence, knowing creates awareness and results in normal behavior clearing phobias , misnomers and myths, preventing a young kid from turning into abnormal.   
9 Astronomy 
10 Drama ( Natya Shastra)
11 Economics ( Kautilyas Artha Shastra)
12 Zero or Hindsa how it travelled from India via Arabs and became Arabic Numerals )
13 Dasavtara ( The 10 Incarnations of Vishnu ) and Darwins theory of Evolution. The progression of Vishnu is similar to the progression of Darwin's Theory of Evolution. 
Krishna Balaram on Chariot Surrounded with Dashavatara - Orissa Paata .

The play, concerning itself, Dashavatara Dance Goa

 Avatars of Vishnu lithograph by Raja Ravi Varma. Anti-clockwise from left top corner: Matsya, Kurma, Varaha, Narasimha, Vamana, Parshurama, Rama, Krishna, Buddha, Kalki surround Vishnu. 

 The History of Animal Evolution   Link HERE

Unrelated but biology how Man Rhesus ans Chimps have same genetic genomes

Watch video 2 of the above link which shows fish(matsya) > amphibian ( kurma)
and you know Dashavyars is NOTHING BUT Charles Darwins Theory of Natural Progression
Interesting no ? So it is not a fluke , that Indians are now the brainiest lot, in the world  , It took us 63 years of Freedom . after 600 BC  Bharata or the undivided India disintegrated, hence we became servile and our scientific research vanished. Secondly, why I say that there should be reservayion, as with Affirmative action in USA, is that scars of mental slavery take years to vanish, it is a psychological issue, it takes centuries of corrective measures. Look how Colored Americans have progressed from Jesse Owens to Carl Lewis and Tiger Woods . 

News out after I wrote this post

Michael Johnson says slave descendants make better athletes HERE

Michael Johnson: ‘For eight years I was a five-time gold medallist. Then it was four-time. It’s not the same’ HERE

IT TAKES TIME  , IT TAKES TIME FROM Licolns period to Kennedy and Martin Luther King, That was 60's and US declaration of Independence was was 4th of July 1776 ( 236 years ago) and we are just 63


Mera Bharat Mahaan

Charles Darwin ON WIKIPEDIA

Inception of Darwin's theory ON WIKIPEDIA

On the Origin of Species ON WIKIPEDIA 

Natural History


    The information and links are there on the web, and exists for a long long time, I was made aware of much of this, by My Late Dad ( I call him Achchan ) Late K Balakrishna Menon, ( 12-11-1939 to 17-4-2008 ) may his soul Rest in peace . Love you Achchaa . 

I took the Indian Civil Services exams many times, and I chose History as my second subject, During 1981-1984 I read over 350 books on Indian History, making me aware, of The Wonder That India was, due to a lucidly written book with the Same title by Prof A.L.Basham and the NCERT Series Ancient India, Medieval India I and II and Modern India. I read many books by Bipin Chandra, Romilla Thapar, Majumdar, Raychaudhuri and Datta, Max Mueller,  Jawahar Lal Nehru ( Discovery of IndiaGlimpses of World History,  Letters from a father to his daughter reviewreview2   V.S.Naipaul (Area Of Darkness),  Nirad C Chaudhuri ( Brown Sahib Bong :) Veer Savarkar( for anti congress viewpoint) Autobiography of an Unknown Indian & The Continent of Circe. V D Mahajan (History of Medieval India & Modern Indian History ), Dominique Lapiere and Larry Collins (Freedom at Midnight) ,  Khushwant Singh, (Train to Pakistan) and later by Shashi Tharoor, Ramchandra Guha amd William Dalrymple. & J P Mittal.
               One Book which I have not read , and I will read now is An Argumentative Indian by Amartya Sen.

               Here I would like to enlighten Nehru, Collins and  Lapierre, Bipan Chandra, Basham, Naipaul(for contrarian and opposing views and to maintain balance of not being jingoist)  and Shashi Tharoor are must reads, for writing history in lucid story  telling style. their works are not only light reads, but also very gripping, which won't let you put down the books, till you finish them.

                  Ramchandra  Guha must be read with total devotion and concentration, because it iis well researched and deeply informative and authentic picture of Indian History( The best I found so far)

      Finally You must Read V D Mahajan and J P Mittal ( CAUTION THIS IS MORE FICTIONAL THAN FACTS BUT DO READ IT) with a pinch of Salt, they fictionalize history and unless read without crystallizing, read one must, because, if you are a STUDENT (ACADEMIC) of history, you don't sleep reading them. Be careful on dates, especially birth, death of Buddha & Mahavira. Not to be referred for dates AT ANY COST!!! Now Mr Mittal writes History of India 7300 to 4250 BC . There are no historical evidences to study, architecture,/archaeological excavations, scriptures, inscriptions , coins or books of that period.       
                                Where as Dr Mahajan writes " Shivaji took a step embraced Afzal Khan with his left hand, and stabbed him with his crooked dagger, with his right, killing him instantly " :-) reads like a Salim-Javed or Major Balwant script :)

Links with List of Books on Indian History 

1 List of Ten OF MUST-READ Best Books on Indian History HERE

2 Reference Books on Indian History for Indian Civil Services ( IAS Preliminary and Mains) Examinations HERE I have read them all. 

3 Popular Books on Indian History on HERE 

Looking at the above, studying them one will know, that India had all the scientific knowledge, which if you compare to the dates of scientific renaissance in European history, which is starting between the late 14Th TO 17Th Century. AD, starting in Greece, Italy, France and finally ending with Industrial Revolution in Britain. 

  HERE is an interesting piece on European History Read it( especially chapter 10 on Revolutions, what is now happening in Middle East, especially Egypt) and THIS ON Renaissance and disambiguation of Renaissance ( Read The links on Cultural Renaissance in many parts of the world one by one ) 

List of links for my son Dhruv Menon studying in class 10 these are very educative links my son , Read them one by one eery day the lst 2 links are VERY IMPORTANT ON VEDIC MATHEMATICS 


All the following link updates on the thread were by me kvgm A.K.A. K Venugopal Menon ( the writer of this posts ) Shrishti se pehle kuch bhi nahi tha , Asat bhi nahin tha from Bharat ek Khoj " Rig Veda " is the source Metal Version of Prithvi Se pehle from " Rig Veda " Kabya Ghosh Tuhin Chongder watch good

Ina in Advaita Philosophy " Aham Brahmasmi (I am God), Tvam Brahmasmi ( You are God) Param Brahmasmi ( Everything in universe is God) Brhadaranyak Upanishad in Yajur Veda

Scientific foreknowledge in sacred texts is the belief that certain sacred textsdocument an awareness of the natural world that was later discovered by technology and science. This includes the belief that the sacred text grants a higher awareness of the natural world, like those views held by some...
Historical Indian astronomy (Jyotiṣa) develops as a discipline of Vedanga or one of the "auxiliary disciplines" associated with the study of the Vedas.[1] The oldest extant text of astronomy is the treatise by Lagadha, dated to the Mauryan era (final centuries BCE).
Ayurveda (Sanskrit: आयुर्वेद; Āyurveda, "the knowledge for long life"; /ˌaɪ.ərˈveɪdə/[2]) or ayurvedic medicine is a Hindu system of traditional medicine native to India and a form of alternative medicine.[3][4] The earliest literature on Indian medical practice appeared during the Vedic period in I...
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Vedic science is the term used in modern attempts to systematize ancient scientific thought to be found in early Indian scriptures, especially the Vedas.

The Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute (BORI) is located in Pune, Maharashtra, India.[1] It was founded on July 6, 1917 to honor the life and work of Dr. Ramakrishna Gopal Bhandarkar (1837–1925), long regarded as the founder of Indology (Orientalism) in India. The institute is well known for its...
oot of all Western Civilization
The ancient nation Bharata started to shape its destiny by adopting a democraticprocess of governance, after 15 thousands years of deep rooted great heritage and culture. The secret of Bharata’s success with the experiment in democracy can be found in ancient wisdom. Bharata was leading the world i...
History books in India still largely teach the British view of India from the colonial era and have not changed much since the independence of the country over fifty years ago. The only exception is history books in Marxist states like Bengal that have been rewritten in a communist slant, which is e...
Friedrich Maximillian Müller (December 6, 1823 – October 28, 1900), more regularly known as Max Müller, was a German philologist and Orientalist, one of the founders of the western academic field of Indian studies and the discipline of comparative religion. Müller wrote both scholarly and popular wo...
The Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute (BORI) is located in Pune, Maharashtra, India.[1] It was founded on July 6, 1917 to honor the life and work of Dr. Ramakrishna Gopal Bhandarkar (1837–1925), long regarded as the founder of Indology (Orientalism) in India. The institute is well known for its...
The Wonder That was India : a survey of the culture of the Indian sub-continentbefore the coming of the Muslims, is a book on Indian history written by A.L. Basham and published in 1954. The second edition of the first volume by Basham was published in 1963 and reprinted several times.

pq " Advaita Vedanta is not religious at all. It is a universal truth which can be and often is experienced by anyone of any religion or no religion. A concept of God is not God, it is merely a concept. What the great and wise men and women who knew this truth, and took upon themselves the incredibly difficult task of communicating it to us, were attempting to share was what is often now called Non-Duality. Non- Duality is not a concept which can be adequately grasped by any intellect no matter how vast. It is not a concept at all. It is a direct knowing, what the late classical Greeks called "Gnosis". It can only be known by the heart within the heart, the secret heart, unknown to science, unknown to romantics, known only by the greatest mystics and by those rare philosophers who understand and fully appreciate the true origins of philosophy, of philo-sophia, the love of the Goddess of Wisdom. Intellectuals can bang their head against the rock of this truth until the holy cows of religion come home and bow before their Mother who gave them life. Neither religion, in it's popular organized sense, nor science - the new belief system of the Western world, can embrace this truth. neither has a heart big enough. "

kvgm " Ina thanks, you prodded me to write a blog on Indian ancient scientific knowledge, well the links are from google but, actually, I have studied 350 books on Indian History ( In spite of being an out and out Commerce student) includes an M.B.A. in finance, and 26 years of Banking Career. Prof A.L.Basham's Book The Wonder That India was and Max Mueller's Vedic translations truly made me delve deep into Charaka ( Ayurveda Medicine), Panini Sanskrit, Grammar) , Baskaracharya & Aryabhatta ( Mathematicians, Astro Physicists) which enlightened me, that India was the root of all sciences, and the East India Company in late 16th Century took a lot of knowledge to Britain, and used it during British Renaissance . "
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‎@Ina.Zeuch Kaunteya Ghosh never said about caste but Universe, there is a difference between Religion ( as in book-priest-temple) and Meta Physics ( Elements Knowledge Tatva Bodh/Gyan ) meaning from dust to dust from universe to universe from Aum to Aum ( We say aum mein vileen , means the sould went back from where it came , that is Aum) Satya ( Truth) Asteya ( Elements) Aparigrah ( Not having wants meaning restraint) this takes to salvation
āṇini - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pāṇini (Sanskrit: पाणिनि, IPA: [pɑːɳin̪i]; a patronymic meaning "descendant of Paṇi") was a Sanskrit grammarian from Pushkalavati, Gandhara, in modern day Charsadda District of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan (fl. 6th century BC)[1][2].

pq " 
There is no doubt in my mind that our dear friend, Kaunteya Ghosh, has a brilliant future ahead of him. The breadth and depth of his learning is stunning especially for one so young. He has however a devastating flaw in his character which must be corrected as soon as possible in order that he may achieve the success he deserves and so that mankind can reap the rewards of his brilliance. This flaw is none other than his foolhardy support for Chelsea FC. The only real hope I can offer at this time is that he transfers his loyalty to Tottenham Hotspurs FC as soon as possible. :) "

 kvgm " Drogba Rullllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez Chelsea won FA right ? Kaunteya GhoshJeanne Kennedy Nanda :d "
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kvgm "  Kaunteya Ghosh kg I am at the point where you are telling Ina about Wedding Cake and cup Cake, well yiou guys need to feed me Cakes at Flurry's and Cookies at @CookieJar you and Mayukh Ghosh:)) "

kvgm "  
‎@Ina.Zeuch Kaunteya Ghosh never said about caste but Universe, there is a difference between Religion ( as in book-priest-temple) and Meta Physics ( Elements Knowledge Tatva Bodh/Gyan ) meaning from dust to dust from universe to universe from Aum to Aum ( We say aum mein vileen , means the sould went back from where it came , that is Aum) Satya ( Truth) Asteya ( Elements) Aparigrah ( Not having wants meaning restraint) this takes to salvation "
Originally a teacher at the ancient Takshashila University, Chanakya managed thefirst Maurya emperor Chandragupta's rise to power at a young age. He is widely credited for having played an important role in the establishment of the Maurya Empire, which was the first empire in the archaeologically r..."
The Arthashastra (IAST: Arthaśāstra) is an ancient Indian treatise on statecraft, economic policy and military strategy which identifies its author by the names 'Kautilya'[1] and 'Viṣhṇugupta',[2] both names that are traditionally identified with Chāṇakya (c. 350–283 BC),[3] who was a scholar at Tak... " 

kvgm "  If you read this Ina you will know the secret of Advaita Vedanta as proscribed by Adi Sankara
eNotes features online study guides, lesson plans, and other reference material in a wide range of academic areas "


Revered Guruji used to say that he had reconstructed the sixteen mathematical formulae from the Atharvaveda after assiduous research and ‘Tapas’ (austerity) for about eight years in the forests surrounding Sringeri. Obviously these formulae are not to be found in the present recensions of A...

Bharati Krishna Tirtha presented vedic mathematics to Modern India Thanks to him

Who was Satyendra Nath Bose?
Vedic mathematics is a system of mathematics consisting of a list of 16 basic sūtras, or aphorisms. They were presented by a Hindu scholar and mathematician, Bharati Krishna Tirthaji Maharaja, during the early part of the 20th century.[1]

Thus I have dealt upon subjects like Astronomy ( Aryabhatta & Bhaskaracharya II ) , Science in Vedic religious texts, Sanskrit grammar (Panini ) , Political Economics ( Chanakya ) Ayurvedic Medicine ( Charaka )  Drama ( Bharata Munis Natya Shastra ) & Vedic Mathematics . & SX ( Kama Sutra and Vatsyayana )

Now 4 articles on Higgs Boson  and a Video

The Spark In A Crowded Field Satyendra Nath Bose on whom Boson was Named

Who was Satyendra Nath Bose?

The Bose in the particle

Higgs Higgs Hurray

Higgs boson WIKIPEDIA


a channel on physics with videos


a physicas channel with stephen hawkins and peter higgs lectures

Bose–Einstein statistics ON WIKIPEDIA

Satyendra Nath Bose ON WIKIPEDIA

Albert Einstein ON WIKPEDIA








The Higgs Boson, Part I

large hydron collider 1 of 3

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